Thanksgiving of Horror

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and we're the Simpson siblings. And we're going to talk about Thanksgiving stuff.

Shaun: 0:33

Because it's Thanksgiving time.

Sari: 0:35

Yes. And so of course, we're going to cover Thanksgiving of Horror and you know what, it's been a year just about since we started this. Cause our first episode was Bart versus Thanksgiving.

Shaun: 0:47

Yeah. I remember how nervous we were the first time we were recording.

Sari: 0:50

I know, now we're all loosey goosey. We're just kind of chilling. Yes. We should mention that for patrons only (big shout out and thank you to Timothy Burleson. You can actually watch us record this, which is weird.

Shaun: 1:09

It must be a treat.

Sari: 1:10

Oh, I bet it is. So definitely check that out. We are at patreon.com/simpsonssibs, all one word. There'll be a link in the description, all that good. So. All right then. So let's go ahead and get started. This is Thanksgiving of Horror, season 31, episode eight, originally aired on November 24th, 2019. It was directed by Rob Oliver and written by Dan Vebber and our special guest star is Charlie Brooker as the social media app voice. I think he gets like one line, um,

Shaun: 1:50

Uh, we'll wait till we get there. Okay.

Sari: 1:51

Yeah. And

Shaun: 1:55

I know I usually go over to like the intros and stuff, but for this one, it's kind of the cold start that they used with a lot of Halloweens in the past. It has that Marge disclosure, Halloween feel, but it's fun having that for Thanksgiving

Sari: 2:08

and in front of the, um, in front of the, uh, sort of, I was going to say velvet rope, but it's really just like a velvet rope, the velvet curtains, and. It's kind of interesting because she mentioned that they're doing this because of the grim specter of everything. And I wrote after that 2020 question mark.

Shaun: 2:29

Yeah. And it was funny. Cause when you were looking up all the details for when it aired, you saw the year and you're like, Hmm. And I was like, I know what you're thinking. Like it's very ominous and it's just like, like Marge is just like... The world's gone to crap.

Sari: 2:43

Could this be like the, you know, the whole Simpson's predicting the future thing, because this was like November, 2019 was like, right, four months before everything really kind of went to crap and

Shaun: 3:00

COVID wasn't really, it was like a sub thing.

Sari: 3:04

It wouldn't be like, yeah, it would be like news coverage, number five or six. They'd be like, oh yeah, there's this thing called COVID we don't know about it. You know,

Shaun: 3:13

three people have it.

Sari: 3:14

Yeah. It's so, wow. That's weird to hear that. The moment she said this, I was like, this had to have been last year, but it wasn't.

Shaun: 3:23

So that was really weird.

Sari: 3:25

That was weird. Um, uh, yeah, so she's got a little bit of a warning, but she's mostly just kind of talking and then we get Kang and Kodos showing up. Is this not how colonizers dress,

Shaun: 3:38

your oppressive color?

Sari: 3:42

Oh my gosh. Uh, yeah, so that was great. Th this is the only time Kang and Kodos have shown up in a non Halloween episode, except for that one where they showed up not Halloween, which does not hold up. It's like season 25 or something. And I rewatched it the other day and I was like, this doesn't hold up, which is sad. Cause it's like a good like concept. But yeah, now I digress. Um, we have the whole thing about Homer asking what time to dinner. Yeah, which you know, is, is a very cromulent question because like, you know, I, I have once with, I usually have lunch with my in-laws and then dinner with my parents on Thanksgivings. And it's like, but you still call the lunch dinner.

Shaun: 4:32

Well, and it just being Thanksgiving, just, just embiggens, it embiggens yes.

Sari: 4:37

Embiggens the biggest turkey. Um, yeah, it's very, very cromulent. Um, and, I mean really when is Thanksgiving dinner? You just eat it or the dinner is the whole day, you just eat it.

Shaun: 4:54

It's weird. Like you wake up and you don't want to eat too much for breakfast. Yeah. But there's pastries out everywhere. So you eat and then. And you eat at like, two.

Sari: 5:05

Yeah. I mean, I wonder how this episode would be to someone not from America or Canada, because they have Thanksgiving too,

Shaun: 5:14

or other families too, because some families might do like.

You know, 6:00, 7: 5:18

00 PM dinner and have like a small lunch, but we just start cooking first thing in the morning and eat the whole day, eat when it's ready.

Sari: 5:28

Yeah. Um, I wouldn't, I absolutely love it's weird. Cause this, this episode has a lot of really adorable moments. Like mixed in with a bunch of blood and gore. Yeah. And, um, the adorable moments are really cute and I'm one of them is when they show the title Thanksgiving of Horror and then Santa's Little Helper eats like the gravy because it's made out of the gravy and then Homer comes and eats more of the gravy. And it's just, it's just cute.

Shaun: 5:56

And I kind of expected it to turn. So they've growled over like pork chops and stuff before I expect it to be like a fighting over the gravy thing, but they just kind of like were peaceful and took turns

Sari: 6:06

because it was, it was the spirit of Thanksgiving, Shaun. Yes. Yes. And, um, yeah, we're gonna move on to,A-Gobble-Ypto which is a spoof on Apocalypto, which was like a movie that came out in like 2006 or something. So that was weird, but I mean, I, they, they thought of a good name for it. And plus I think that's something that actually exists in like actual terminology. And I did not look that up at all, but yeah, needs research. I think this was my favorite out of the three segments. I liked them all, but this one was my favorite. I think so too. Yeah. Ah, man, I I've said this before and I'll say it again. The main thing that can make me laugh is just someone saying something stupid in a stupid voice. And that's pretty much most of this thing. That's like the whole gimmick here. Um, cause they're all speaking in gobbling and um,

Shaun: 7:08

Is that natural word?

Sari: 7:09

Gobbling. I mean, gobbling is a word, but I don't know if you would consider that a language yet. Um, but yeah, it's like, it seems, I wonder how they determined who was going to be the turkeys and who was going to be the pilgrims in this.

Shaun: 7:26

They all seem to do an equally good job during the Turkey voice.

Sari: 7:30

Yeah. I wonder if it was just a matter of them being like which voice actors are better at doing the Turkey voice, you're going to be the turkeys and obviously the main family too.

Shaun: 7:38

Well, it would have been hard to do, like, Quimby. Really hard to do.

Sari: 7:42

He makes sense as like the hunter in this, which he's legitimately scary in this

Shaun: 7:47

Especially with some of the animation they pull off from this episode. Jeez. Yeah.

Sari: 7:52

I was thinking, well, it's Thanksgiving and not Halloween. It's not going to be as gory. It was almost more gory, which I'm glad I didn't watch this with my seven year old. Um, but. Um, Bart's gobble. Laugh is hilarious. Homer's gobbled d'oh. The part with Flanders

Shaun: 8:13

or his, his while you little. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, oh my gosh, just A-plus voice acting across the board. Flanders comes up and talks to him and you can tell he's talking about something stupid. And then Homer, like rolling his eyes and making a gobble. It's it's great. Also have to say, I love bird Bart again, kind of like the Raven.

Sari: 8:37

Oh yeah. There was a little bit, I didn't even think of that is I wonder if they kind of tweaked that design a little bit.

Shaun: 8:44

Yeah. Cause it works. So for that other past podcast episode,

Sari: 8:48

I want to draw that now I'm going to try to draw that, but yeah. Treehouse of Horror one, two podcasts ago. Um, Yeah. So we have we're, we're loving the Bart bird episodes. We should do parts the mother now. Yeah. Cause then, then that, that will be the holy Trinity of Bart bird episodes, because that's the thing for some reason, um, Maude. I just wrote Maude in like all caps.

Shaun: 9:18

Yeah. Cause I was like, oh, we're going to get like, did they bring her voice actress back again for another cameo?

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Dead. That had been me.

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I've been in that water.

Sari: 9:33

Dead. Okay, so, oh God.

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Probably most of you are wondering what we're talking about.

Sari: 9:41

GI Joe voiceover shorts. We need to just watch it as just in general, just as people and not podcasters. But yeah, of course Maude's the first one to get killed that just works out. And it's also very sudden,

Shaun: 9:59

it's very sudden, but a lot of detail went into that animation.

Sari: 10:04

Yeah, my goodness. I had like an audible gasp when that happened and uh, yeah, it's oof. Um, so that's when we're introduced to, uh, Um, I'm going to say Quimby... Wiggum, Lou, and what's the other, I always forget the other cops name. The not Lou

Shaun: 10:25

cop. Oh. I said Quimby before too. I meant, but you did well, so there's,

Sari: 10:34

who's the other cop cause it's Lou and I feel like it starts with a C. Um, and it's not Kearney. It's Klyde... Yes, we're going to call him Clyde,

Shaun: 10:50

like with all things, we can just use the magic of editing like Mr. Black.

Sari: 10:55

His name was Mr. Black oh, dear God. Um, so Lou says, oh, the muskets take, um, oh God, I can't read my

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Wasn't it like three of good God's minutes or something,

Sari: 11:09

three of the Lord's minutes. And they're all talking in that very, you know, oldey timey

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New King James version of talking.

Sari: 11:18

Oh, oh, this is where I just, I just wrote d'oh because Homer did a cute d'oh in the turkey gobble, and I love it. Whenever they, when we got to this part, I just wrote down who would have thought this would work. But it did, but it does exactly. I wonder it's just one of those things where I feel like whoever originally thought of this idea, they approached someone they're like, well, let's do a Thanksgiving before, instead of Treehouse of Horror. And they're like, and, you know, clutching their monocles and all that. And then, and then someone's like, wait, hold on a second. That might actually work. And how the heck it somehow did. Yeah, I liked this better than the last Treehouse of Horror

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a scary Thanksgiving.

Sari: 12:02

Like what the heck? I hope they do this again. They didn't do this for two years after, but I'm hoping that we get a Thanksgiving of Horror two sometime.

Shaun: 12:09

I wonder how many, like families all got together and, oh, there's a Thanksgiving special. Let's take grandma and grandpa and watch this together. And there it goes Maude yep. Ah, somebody please think of the children, which is something that's referenced in this."Won't somebody please think of the pilgrims?".

Sari: 12:33

Oh goodness. Uh, something I was thinking the mouths of the turkies they fit really well to the way that Simpson's mouthes are designed, like just the whole, like Homer's beard segment thing fits perfectly to the beak

Shaun: 12:52

and then did a good job of like, like grandpa Turkey, like having like the wrinkled skin and everything. Like they just adapted the characters to Turkey for them really well.

Sari: 13:03

You could tell they had a lot of fun with this. And we, as the audience had fun along with them,

Shaun: 13:10

Like how Sideshow Mel had the stick.

Sari: 13:12

Yeah. I loved that. It was just like a little tree stick. Oh my God. And um, the, the fire thing seemed a bit contrived. Like I feel like they were just like, we need a reason for the place to be on fire. Let's have Millhouse think there's witchcraft. Yeah, randomly. And I don't know, I didn't like that part. Um, it seemed a little bit kind of thrown in there. Yeah. But I mean, it barely brings the episode down the rest of it's. Great. Um,

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well, and just before that too, we had the very aggressive Turkey preparations.

Sari: 13:49

Oh yes. Holy heck.

Shaun: 13:52

Like they put, I don't know if it's because it was meant to be from the turkey's point of view, but they were like angry.

Sari: 13:58

It's very like fierce pulling and stuffing and there, the turkeys faces are all like, yeah, yeah. Oh, and the crows. Oh my God. That was another thing that I thought was just going to be a small gag and it turned out to be really violent where, um, Lou and, um, what did we call him? Cisco

Shaun: 14:22

It'll be a different name every time

Sari: 14:26

Lou and Cisco, um, knock over the, uh, the scarecrow. And of course that makes all the crows come at once. And the first you're like, oh, that's funny. And then they like, just like horribly mutilate them. Um, as it was back in Pilgrim times,

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Walk up all happy, like ready to join. And then it was bare.

Sari: 14:55

Should have had a bush there that would go to back in when I might have been too referential. Yeah, that was great too. I love that moment. Oh God. The, so Wiggum uses the snuff, which I don't know enough about that kind of stuff. Was that pretty much just drugs from back then? I'm guessing. Yeah.

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Did you get the little pun and he did there?

Sari: 15:19

What?

Shaun: 15:20

He said, look, there's free birds. Let's Skinnard them. Oh, because of Lynyrd Skynyrd and, oh my God. You know, at the moment I was looking I'm like, they don't even look like Principal Skinner, but the, because it's Lynyrd Skynyrd. Oh my God. I wouldn't have caught that. I love it when they throw that kind of stuff in that you only really get it if you're like paying close attention. So yeah. Then the snuff, he like stuffs it up his nose and his eyes get all big and. Any time on the Simpsons when their eyes get big, like with the battling seizure robots, the I'm not licking toads.

Sari: 15:55

I'm not, not licking toads.

Shaun: 15:58

I bring you love!

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And I bring you love those moments always freaked me out as a kid and a little bit now, like it just looks wrong when their pupils are so big

Shaun: 16:07

And didn't he do it again. He did it several times. Yeah. It's more and more.

Sari: 16:11

Oh, I don't like that. I don't like it. And his voice changes a bit too. Uh, yes, so he chases them. Yep. Oh, and they've got the egg. I didn't mention the egg earlier. They've got an egg and they're very protective of the egg. And of course, you know, there's no Maggie yet. So we own, what's going to be in the egg and he gets a little, he's a little sneaky where he's like, oh, I have the egg and I didn't write on it. I didn't write enough notes for this scene.

Shaun: 16:40

Well, we just watched it.

Sari: 16:41

Yeah. We literally just watched this and, um, the bear kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah.

Shaun: 16:50

Yeah. It wasn't a perfect episode,

Sari: 16:54

but yeah, I was trying to think of, what's the name of it. There's a word for it in writing and it means God of the machine. And I can't remember what it's actually called, but it's basically when like a super powerful being just fixes a situation in a story.

Shaun: 17:10

I'm thinking like plot armor,

Sari: 17:12

plot. Ooh. Yeah. Plot armor. But you usually don't have plot armor in these kinds of segments. Yeah. But I guess they would give plot armor to the baby. Cause I don't think they ever kill Maggie. I don't think they've ever killed Maggie. That would be a little too much.

Shaun: 17:29

Maggie has done killing though.

Sari: 17:30

Oh yes. Definitely all the time. Okay. It was Deus ex Machina. Means God of the machine. And it's basically in a story when like a super powerful being just fixes the situation. So. That was the bear.

Shaun: 17:47

I didn't know that was the meaning behind that makes a lot of stories makes sense to me now.

Sari: 17:52

It was actually okay. Here's like my college writing screenwriting classes coming back, but it was basically originated from like Greek times when literally their stories would just have like "Zeus fixed it".

Shaun: 18:06

A wizard did it.

Sari: 18:08

Anytime you see something like that. Oh,a wizard did it. Yeah, that's true. That's true. All right. So bear saves the day. And then I put aww holy crap in my, in my, um, writing. So that was of course, because of Maggie being born and using the pine cone as a pacifier, which is adorable. Yeah. And then. Does the bear. Oh, the bear eats Wiggum. And then he's

Shaun: 18:35

rips off his arm

Sari: 18:36

okay, now I remember. Okay. Yeah. Like the bear, like completely tears them apart. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like you get it a lot in this episode where you get this really sweet, adorable moment and then sudden violence, but that also doesn't ruin the moment

Shaun: 18:54

suddenly.

Sari: 18:56

I, evil mathematicians shall capture all of the children and force them to do homework forever. All right. So that's it for a gobble lepto and I enjoyed it a lot

Shaun: 19:07

yeah, it was not the usual Simpsons I'm used to. That's part of why I liked it.

Sari: 19:13

I was impressed with it. I really enjoyed it. I would watch this again. I would go back for a seconds. Okay, Ms. Krabapple. All right. So now we've got the fourth, Thursday after tomorrow. Um, Which I feel like it isn't the best name for it.

Shaun: 19:35

I don't know, it's chillingly plausible.

Sari: 19:38

The fourth, Thursday after tomorrow?

Shaun: 19:41

Just because they said that twice in the episode.

Sari: 19:44

Oh yeah. Oh God. I liked that. I liked that callback. Um, I actually wrote chillingly plausible 2x. Um, I've liked the segment a lot too. And I would put this as my second favorite out of three. Uh, I don't like the name.

Shaun: 20:03

Yeah.

Sari: 20:03

It reminds me of day after tomorrow, which is about something completely different. And isn't Thanksgiving the third Thursday in the month.

Shaun: 20:12

That's what I was thinking.

Sari: 20:14

So why didn't they put third? I don't like the name, but I like the rest of this one. So we start out with Marge in a blank void, and I feel like that's a great way to start this. Cause you're already kind of like asking what the heck's going on.

Shaun: 20:27

It puts you into where you're just as confused as the character is,

Sari: 20:30

which is great. And that's something I love about this segment is that you are put in this character's perspective, which you will find out more. Um, I put this as some black mirror stuff and later on it references black mirror, like several times. So this was a very direct, um, spoof. Yeah. I loved Homer saying like I sent your DNA in just like the beginning of a scifi movie would come to villains and all that. Um, but it's not like that. So we get Marge. We figured out that Marge, that we're seeing is actually the artificial intelligence in this like robot that controls the kitchen. And real Marge is kind of like a little taken aback by it at first.

Shaun: 21:15

And she's pretty cold to her knowing that she has all the memories

Sari: 21:19

it's kinda messed up here. Um, And the fact that you are in, that we are following the AI instead of following actual Marge really changes the perspective, because if this has been like the Pierce Brosnan episode,

Shaun: 21:35

Was just going to say that,

Sari: 21:36

like you don't care about him in that, um, And, uh, which I rewatched that recently. And it was weird. Cause like the kids were like, yeah, he's James Bond and Marge was like, he's James Bond? And now he hasn't been Bond for like, like now Craig has done like, dang time is weird, but anyways, I digress. I just put poor fake Marge because... you feel bad for her.

Shaun: 22:10

Yeah, well like without warning to be put into solitary confinement and thing is too she's artificial intelligence probably doesn't sleep. She's had that full two weeks of solitary consciousness in a white void.

Sari: 22:25

Yeah, dang.

Shaun: 22:27

No reference for day or night.

Sari: 22:28

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I feel bad for AI Marge, but more things happen. She, she says at one point, like when she's talking about like, like doing all the chores and all of that Marge says I like its attitude, like. Real Marge is at jerk during this. Well, I mean, Homer is too, but like the fact that it's a version of yourself, you think you'd have some sort of emotional connection. So they talk about their memories and they talk about like their first kiss with Homer. And how his breath smelled like beer and gas station nachos.

Shaun: 23:09

And they both were like, aww.

Sari: 23:12

And not to nitpick, but how does it have her memories when all they gave it was DNA? A wizard did it!

Shaun: 23:21

Science rules!

Sari: 23:25

Yeah. So obviously, I mean, this is a Simpsons episode. It doesn't have to be

Shaun: 23:30

Well like to the, that was interesting. You know, Homer puts her in solitary confinement for two weeks. There's all these questions about loyalty and obedience and all this. And then one of the first things they do is give her a knife.

Sari: 23:43

Yep. That's not a good idea. That's bad idea. Genius. Yeah. It's uh, Ooh, it gets weird. Um, so we have Marge kicking home or out of bed, and Homer more goes downstairs and talks to the robot instead of. And he's flirting with it. And then they start kind of like talking, you can't really hear what they're saying and you think it's something, you know, like inappropriate. And of course, instead she's making him food

Shaun: 24:11

I like when she's making, making him a beer and she opens the fridge door. It's all beers inside and opens it the freezer and it's all frozen mugs

Sari: 24:20

Oh my God. I didn't notice that part. Oh, I haven't had a frozen mug in forever. We used to be all about those frozen mugs

Shaun: 24:28

I need to get some of those, those are nice, like the ones with the liquid inside that you can freeze.

Sari: 24:33

Yeah. So we have Marge coming in and Homer going, they were just midnight pork chops. And, uh, she asked about deactivating her and he says I paid extra for it to feel pain.

Shaun: 24:50

Yeah. Like that. First of all, not just her being cruel. It's a stupid waste of money. I imagined that sleazy salesman guy's like, Hey, you for a thousand bucks it can make it feel pain.

Sari: 25:07

The mustache guy. Oh my goodness. So my, uh, AI Marge tries to access the internet. I can't remember the actual reasoning behind that. Let's just. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. That makes sense. The firewall, which made me think of reboot. Yeah. They had the actual firewall, the musical opening. Oh man. I love it. I love that they brought back the time thing,

Shaun: 25:40

The time thing? The passage of time. So I don't know if we said it, if we went into it too far earlier, but Homer turns a clock thing that makes it so that she experiences two weeks in like three seconds. Um, and they bring it back, but she sets it to like eight years or something, That's a long time to take to come up with a plan.,

Sari: 26:01

But she came up with this plan. The plan doesn't seem intricate enough to take eight years.

Shaun: 26:06

Yeah.

Sari: 26:07

Like I would have said like two years or so.

Shaun: 26:09

She worked on it for a couple hours and then just passed out.

Sari: 26:11

Yeah. So, I think I saw something on the TV. So they invite all the people over there for Thanksgiving. Oh yeah. I didn't even mention, so they say that they're going to have her prepare Thanksgiving dinner, and then afterwards they're going to kill her. And that's when she does the whole passage of time thing. There was a black mirror reference on the TV for like 0.5 seconds. Yeah. It was the whole thing with the politician and the pig. Which I never, I've never seen it, but I know the entire plot. And, um, I have a lot of secondhand knowledge of different, you know, intellectual product properties, but yeah, the, um, they show mayor Quimby and a pig on the TV for like half a second. And it's like, obviously referencing that because that's, you know.

Shaun: 27:03

See, I was expecting when she's in the little tube thing, trying to hear, I was expecting the whole 2001 space Odyssey thing where it reads the lips.

Sari: 27:12

Yeah.

Shaun: 27:13

I feel like that would have been better, but may have gone over more heads.

Sari: 27:18

It might've,

Shaun: 27:20

it might've cause even the year that movie was supposed to take place is already, so was 20 years ago.

Sari: 27:28

Oh boy. Ooh. Uh, so when real Marge takes credit for the dinner, am I allowed to say the B word?

Shaun: 27:39

I think so.

Sari: 27:41

She's talking about a dog, so then I'm allowed to say it. She goes "that bitch" and

Shaun: 27:48

I love angry Marge.

Sari: 27:50

I love angry Marge angry. Marge's great. Angry AI Marge is also great. Um, we have the AI trying to get to the modem and it goes through like all the legs and the table, which is cute.

Shaun: 28:03

I like when she called it R2Me2. Yeah. R2Me2. That's cute.

Sari: 28:09

Um, basically, you know, that's the part that probably took her the longest during the years. Yeah. Cause she had to figure out how to put that together, really fast with just things she had access to. So that kind of makes sense now.

Shaun: 28:24

Chillingly plausible.

Sari: 28:25

Chillingly plausible Oh man, that's pretty great. If we have a quotable line from this that we could carry with us, cause that doesn't happen on a lot of more recent episodes. Um, so it almost gets to the modem and real Marge stops it. And, um, it is, it is kind of it's weird. Cause you can kind of see both sides to this because if there was an AI made of me. I would probably feel pretty angry and scared by it. But if I was the AI, I would just want to survive. So it's really, oh, a lot of layers to this?

Shaun: 29:04

Okay. So if you were an AI copy of yourself and real, you was trying to kill AI you, would you as AI, you kill real you? Weird question.

Sari: 29:19

Yeah. Cause I wonder if real, I guess I'd need to know. And then is it considered self-defense if you're technically killing a version of yourself? It's not really

Shaun: 29:34

because if human you was in danger, you would go after the AI to protect yourself. Does that work? Is that logic ethical the other way around?

Sari: 29:42

Yeah. Makes you think it's chillingly plausible!

Shaun: 29:48

The ethics of seasonal Simpsons episodes.

Sari: 29:50

Yes. Um, I love the moment of Maggie trying to take it to the modem and it says I can play you the first thing you ever heard. And it was her heartbeat that kind of got me in the heart a little bit myself.

Shaun: 30:08

Well, that kind of just shows that AI Marge is still basically human, still sympathetic, still a good mom

Sari: 30:16

She still cares for Maggie and understands her and understands what she wants and needs. Um, Even though it was a little bit manipulative, but I don't know, there's a lot of layers to this. Man! I was not expecting to go into ethics with, you know, Thanksgiving of Horror

Shaun: 30:35

As many layers as an ogre

Sari: 30:38

or an onion.

Shaun: 30:40

Ogres have layers! Sorry

Sari: 30:46

We are becoming the Shrek siblings. We're just going to talk about the movie shrek. We won't talk about any of the other ones. Just the first one. Yeah. Every episode. Terrible. Although you could probably do that with emperor's new groove.

Shaun: 31:05

Yeah, I was trying to think of a way to argue against that, but you

Sari: 31:11

can't. All right. I don't know how much this is not going to cut. Yeah.

Shaun: 31:15

Well, we also have robot Homer.

Sari: 31:24

Oh yeah. That was a weird ending. Yeah. Like where did that come from? It was. Which, you know, the fact that he is a robot, looking back at the rest of the episode, is that what caused him to bond more with AI than real Marge? Maybe?

Shaun: 31:42

Maybe where's real Homer.

Sari: 31:46

I don't know... I thought maybe he liked died and she replaced him or something, but she was surprised.

Shaun: 31:51

Yeah, maybe, maybe she was just like, she was used to that veil being there.

Sari: 31:56

Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, oh God. And then in that way, is that sort of a double standard that she wants to kill her own robot, but not the robot of her husband. Wow. I was not expecting to talk about this this much, but dang. So that was our second story. And I'm of course, following the ... the common Treehouse of horror format, unless you take into account the most recent Treehouse of Horror, which had five segments, this one has three. Yeah, yes. Which I tangent, I didn't like the five segments. I think it was too short of a time. They were all under developed and I didn't like it.

Shaun: 32:36

Not enough time,

Sari: 32:37

Not enough time. I liked the one before that, but I didn't like that one. Anyways. I digress. Last Thanksgiving. Was that just the name of it?

Shaun: 32:47

Yeah.

Sari: 32:47

Wow. That's a, yeah, it's a name. Um,

Shaun: 32:55

I know if I felt about this one, I honestly didn't take a lot of notes on it because I don't know. I didn't feel like there was a lot of substance to it.

Sari: 33:02

I feel like this should have been the middle one because usually the middle segment is the one that's a little bit less fun. And I feel like this should have been the middle segment cause they could have really gone out on a bang. If they'd put, I feel like they should have. This one in the middle, the robot one first and the first one last, I think it would have been perfect. Cause you, you reel them in with the whole robot thing and then you have the middle where it's okay. And then you go out with a bang with the Turkey one.

Shaun: 33:32

Yeah.

Sari: 33:33

So I'm going to write a letter. You do that and obviously they can't change anything now. So I don't know why I would do that. Um, I wrote down though, boy, there's a lot of difference in these cause you, you really can't fault them, that they picked three completely different settings, completely different situations. And yet also had them about Thanksgiving. That's pretty cool. Also idea for Thanksgiving of Horror too they should definitely have the floats come alive. A la the advertising coming alive in the Treehouse of Horror. That would be amazing. They could do so much with that. Um, yeah, they should do that. I predict that happening. If that happens. I can say that I predicted. So we're starting out with sort of a, like a generational ship sort of thing. They call them generation ships or something where they freeze everybody. Um,

Shaun: 34:32

And I was trying to tell like the ship design, was it kind of like, the movie alien or what. It seemed familiar, but I couldn't quite place

Sari: 34:42

this, like, especially with the monster, it seemed like they were referencing Alien a little bit. I mean, a monster and a spaceship is automatically going to put alien memories. Yeah. Um, so earth has gone. Everyone's kind of frozen,

Shaun: 34:57

For a hilarious reason.

Sari: 34:59

Yes. Um, Yeah. And we've got Principal Skinner his sort of, um, his AI, I guess saying if you've seen this I'm long dead. Well, it was probably more of a recording

Shaun: 35:15

And all the kids cheer.

Sari: 35:18

Oh my God. They were brutal in the sort of like teaching them how to grow up after. You know, the world has ended and they talk about like making end of world diorama's

Shaun: 35:29

Yeah.

Sari: 35:30

The diorama, rama.

Shaun: 35:31

I love too that it's all the kids that are up to do the mundane tasks before the adults wake up.

Sari: 35:36

Yup. Yeah. I didn't even think of it that way until the end, because. Yeah, they, they, well,

Shaun: 35:42

He said that too.

Sari: 35:43

Oh, he did?

Shaun: 35:44

Yeah. Yeah. He said you you're testing all the mundane tests.

Sari: 35:48

Oh my gosh. I didn't catch that part for some reason.

Shaun: 35:51

Kind of the plot mechanic for why the kids are there, but not,

Sari: 35:54

I can kind of see them like being a bit grumpy about that.

Shaun: 35:58

Yeah.

Sari: 35:58

Yeah. Especially cause there there's a lot more worth to kids when there's not a lot of them left anymore. You know, they're going to carry on humanity and all that. So, uh, some of the kids decided to have Thanksgiving, um, since they've just recently defrosted and they want to celebrate, um, I thought that was an interesting choice because I know that they said like the date coincided or something, but kids don't usually get very excited about Thanksgiving. Like you think they would've picked Halloween or something, but I mean, they had to make it work with this story.

Shaun: 36:32

Well, it's because the episode came out around Thanksgiving to do that.

Sari: 36:37

Yes. And, um, they go to the replicator machine and he goes, sip, zap, zorp. Literally say that was pretty good. I liked that. Um, professor Frank gives us huge warning about not doing what they're going to do, which is to duplicate the, um, the cranberry sauce, which I hate cranberry sauce.

Shaun: 37:02

But do you like, like real cranberry sauce that's made?

Sari: 37:05

I don't like cranberries.

Shaun: 37:09

I don't know how to talk to you about this.

Sari: 37:11

That's the whole thing is I don't like cranberries, so I'm not going to like the sauce, the juice, the homemade version of the sauce or the juice, which made this segment even more terrifying for me. I'm sorry.

Shaun: 37:27

It was your fears. Personified. Exactly.

Sari: 37:30

I've had this dream before. Anyways, professor Frink gives this huge long recorded warning, which they completely skip over.

Shaun: 37:41

I love how she's like skip ad,

Sari: 37:42

skip ad. Uh, of course the cranberry sauce comes alive. And that's what all like the gross out stuff happens.

Shaun: 37:51

Well, like to professor Frank, like at the very end, he says end, the living will envy the dead.

Sari: 37:58

Yeah. That's pretty foreboding. Like, yikes. I think this one's the grossest out of the three of them.

Shaun: 38:08

Yeah. They put a lot into like the bones, like when they, when it first attacks Millhouse's, arm, even that was pretty it's very quick, but you see the bone coming out and then dissolving and it's just like, ooh.

Sari: 38:22

Yeah. Poor Millhouse. Of course it happens to Millhouse first. Um, oh, but I just wrote the Nelson death was... dot dot dot. Wow. Yeah, that was intense. Um, And they sort of the gelatinous thing where they, since they're gelatinous, they're going to want bones. I mean, it made some sense. Yeah, it was, it was chillingly plausible. Uh, they do a lot of gags with Millhouse's arm too. Cause it's kind of just like flopping around the whole time.

Shaun: 38:59

I like how instead of banging on the window, he uses his arm to pull up his flapping the bang the window.

Sari: 39:07

Oh God, that makes no sense. And then he gets an arm wedgie from Nelson before he gets killed and he gets slapped by his own hand, someone just takes his hand and slaps them, which is

Shaun: 39:19

They should have done with Nelson to stop slapping herself.

Sari: 39:22

Oh, that would've been great. That would've been great. Uh, the, the off-camera massacre, cause they're like trying to warn all the kids about the gelatinous thing coming after them and like the show, like the shadows of it. And that's almost creepy or just, you know,

Shaun: 39:40

Well, they've already shown so much so far. I wonder if there was like a limit to the quantity of death that could show for the network censors.

Sari: 39:48

I'd be curious if the sensors have that in like an amount form versus a, you know, if you show it once you're essentially just showing the same thing again, but I don't know, maybe there is a quantity thing.

Shaun: 40:03

Just remember too, this is a Disney show.

Sari: 40:05

This is a Disney show now. Well, they weren't bought by then but yeah, I think about that when I watch some modern Simpsons and like, this is a Disney show. Yeah. Um, okay. So they all go running. I kinda liked that it's Bart, Lisa and Millhouse doing the running. Cause it's the same group that was leftover when they were about to be eaten in nightmare cafeteria.

Shaun: 40:31

No, I was thinking that too. Surely something will save the Simpson's children.

Sari: 40:37

Uh, and we have Bart's laser Slingshot, which I thought was just like a cool gadget. Yeah. Um, and you predicted Martin turning against them?

Shaun: 40:49

Yeah.

Sari: 40:49

Yep. And he gives a pretty like nuts speech where he's like, you know, we, we can be, we can take over without any more of a stupid morality and all of that. And well Martin. I didn't know, you'd gone that dark. And the way

Shaun: 41:07

he strips down and then backs into it and he doesn't even get to finish a sentence. It's like, mid-sentence he dies.

Sari: 41:13

Yeah. Like, holy heck. And then he, the, the blob throws his skin at the wall and you're like, yeah,

Shaun: 41:20

I have my notes from Martin skin drop.

Sari: 41:22

Oh.

Shaun: 41:23

Which was weird to write,

Sari: 41:26

But I don't like that. I wrote skin falling down, which also doesn't feel right. Um, I also, I love how the gelatinous blob just distinct instinctively wants to live in a can that that's just sort of in its DNA or whatever it is that they built, this giant can for it. Um, so they lure it like into the airlock and try to blow it out and it kind of grabs part of the ship and rips it open. Um, and the ship lands on the planet. And everyone wakes up. Oh, and then the rain part.

Shaun: 42:06

Yeah,

Sari: 42:07

Yeah,

Shaun: 42:07

Yeah. Which it gets into like a weird ending too.

Sari: 42:11

Yeah. So it rains the gelatinous blob and it kind of reforms, but then there's like these aliens that save them and then they have a Thanksgiving dinner and they say like, the blob wants to be eaten?

Shaun: 42:26

Yeah. I was just like, what?

Sari: 42:29

Which is another reason why this one should have been put in the middle. Yeah, because they could have done a really good ending with the first one.

Shaun: 42:36

And I feel like I could have gone after some of the adults too.

Sari: 42:39

Yeah. I feel like it could have been, if they could have gone for the downer ending with like it just killing everyone, it would have been really creepy. Um, but they didn't feel like that. I guess. And I don't know if the alien has kind of come out of nowhere and it kind of ends on an ehh. Which, which is a shame because the rest of the episode is so good. Yeah.

Shaun: 43:00

You want to end on that? Like the, wow.

Sari: 43:01

Yeah. And it doesn't really do that, but the rest of the episode is still really great. And I do like parts of the segment, just not as a whole. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. And then we get the credits. Which had Bart's Thanksgiving float with really chilling music over it. And it's just completely uncut, just Bart, Thanksgiving float with foreboding music.

Shaun: 43:29

Yeah.

Sari: 43:30

That was pretty good.

Shaun: 43:30

That would make a good YouTube channel. Like audio tracks that don't match the video track.

Sari: 43:34

Yes. Oh, that'd be great.

Shaun: 43:38

Like NASCAR with some light piano music or

Sari: 43:42

That'd be great. Oh my God. Someone should do. Ah, country music over like

Shaun: 43:51

C-SPAN

Sari: 43:52

Oh my God, ah, rap music and just like a flowing Creek

Shaun: 44:03

We we can do this all day.

Sari: 44:06

Yeah. Oh my God. That was, that was a, that was a lot.

Shaun: 44:13

It was a wild ride.

Sari: 44:14

I feel like these ones, cause I did the editing on the, the Treehouse of horror episodes. They were long like our Treehouse of horror five one was longer than the actual episodes. Nice. Like it was like 45 minutes. And I think it's cause we have to break down three things and these are always like jam packed with things happening.

Shaun: 44:34

There's always like the intro, all the elements and then wrapping up and how it all ties together.

Sari: 44:39

I'm kind of looking forward to having a normal episode next time, which thankfully our next episode is going to be a normal episode. We are taking a couple of weeks off for Thanksgiving. So there won't be any podcasts for a couple of weeks. We're taking a couple of weeks off. This one will be in December, December 8th. That will be our next episode. And we want to give a huge thank you to Timothy Burleson um, for suggesting this episode, uh, we do like to have our patrons suggest episodes every once in a while. Check out our Patrion at the link below, if you want to check that out. So yeah, a watch Bart versus Australia for December 8th and, uh, watching the episode we'll make the podcast episode even, more fun. But that's not what I usually say, I want to be done with this. We made a lot of mistakes that we cut out of this. So until then, Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.