Treehouse of Horror V

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this is Sari

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and this is Shaun.

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And we're the Simpson Siblings, we talk about Treehouse of horror episodes

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and all the other episodes in between.

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Yeah, there we go.

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Smooth.

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Yeah. I always try to get you, get you mixed up there. Um, so last time we covered tree also pour one. And for the second, one of the month, we asked our patron. Our patron, all one of them, um, to vote. And since there was one vote, it was unanimous. It was unanimous. Thank you, Timothy Burleson. We just, we love you said dang much and thank you for picking what is probably my favorite. She has more anyway, it's a good one. It's such a good one. This is Treehouse of horror. Five season six, episode six, originally aired. October 30th, 1994 written by Greg Daniels, Dan McGrath, David X. Cohen, and Bob CUSO directed by Jim Riordan and our guest star is James Earl Jones as alternate universe, Maggie. He has one line.

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Okay. So this just clicked in my head. Well, first of all, I didn't even think about it going in. That was him, but yeah. Is this the only speaking line that Maggie has,

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um, there's that one episode where it's Maggie's first words and she says, dad, yeah, I can remember your

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dad. Well, aside from that, I love that. Yeah. Actual words spoken by Maggie. Cause you see her as an adult and she gets interrupted and stuff. Oh yeah. The

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Lisa gets married

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episode to actual fluent speaking exchange roles. Drums. Oh

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yeah. James Earl Jones. Hello. Uh, so we get the last Marge warning intro, which we talked about this in the previous episode is the last

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one. And she comes out with hello, once again, kind of like it's me, here we go

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again. And she suggests instead to watch 200 miles to Oregon, which I did.

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No, that'd be a twist. I have like notes.

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You're like, woo. I thought we were talking about 200 miles to Oregon. Oh man. The thing with the voice, the voice visualization thing always seem really cheesy to me. Like fittingly cheesy. Yeah. Like the, I can see my voice thing. I'm just kind of, it kind of stops the momentum for me a little bit. Yeah. I think it's one of the few things that I just downright dislike about this episode. Yeah. If you're hearing noises in the background, that is the ghosts and zombie hordes trying to break into our house.

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And it's definitely not Amos from our logo, trying to get your attention.

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Of course. So we've got the usual intro we've got, um, this is also the last time we see the sillies tombstones, which may they may be running out of ideas because one of them just says humorous tombstones.

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Like they might've been. Yeah.

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So it's our last time seeing the intro and it's our last time seeing the humorous tombstones. For the most part. I don't know if the tombstones come back, but it's interesting to see Patty and Selma as which is this early, because they've got the one, God, I can't remember what number that is. It's like nine or 10 keep track of the numbers.

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Maybe it's eight. It

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might be eight. Um, this is reminding me of my advanced European history class, where I had to know what each of the king Henry's was like all their numbers. And I don't, I didn't retrain retain anything except eight, but yeah, it's either eight or nine.

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We also see Mo kind of hanging from a noose and I always very vividly remember. When his eyes opened and looks directly at you, like just that weird, creepy, crooked look that he gives. Yeah. They put some effort into making him look prepared like that. And it's,

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um, there's a, there's a whole Twitter page of just Simpson's characters facing straight. And they're all so off putting, because the way they're designed isn't meant to be seen face forward. Yeah. That maybe makes that a little bit, even more unsettling. Um, and we don't get any wraparound for this one. It just goes straight into the stories after the sort of zombie couch.

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Yeah. We have them switching body parts and all shuffling around on the couch and it just goes right into. The

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shinning. This seems like this is most people's favorite Treehouse of horror segment. I

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think for me, because I just have written down music, right. When the episode starts, it gives that exact same feel as the movie, which it's a good movie too.

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The weird thing was, and I have this written down a bit later. Um, I saw the segment a kajillion times before I ever saw the movie, which is an interesting way to approach it. Because once I saw the movie, I'm like, oh, this is the scene. This is the scene. It was the equivalent to having played Goldeneye for 15 years before actually seeing the movie gold. And I don't think I've seen them

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all the time.

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It's not the best bond movie, but the whole time I'm like, oh, that's the facility. That's the. Um, it was the same feeling, seeing the movie, the shinning, the shaming, the shining to get sued, to get sued. Um, and that's part of what makes this such a great segment is that even if you don't know the source material, this is the best segment. And if you know the source material, then it's even better. And that's just, what's beautiful about it. The entire intro, where it shows the days of the week. Oh man. And this is a phrase that I use in my everyday life. Um, any time Frankie asked me if I remembered to lock the door and go check the front door and you ever check the back

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valid question though.

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And then of course, what about grandpa?

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Everyone's done. Yep. That's

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it? Mr. Burns says they work hard and they play hard. Yeah. And I thought, dun dun, dun dun,

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we work hard and we work

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hard. Oh my God. Very different context here. And then we get possibly one of my favorite lines, the, the ancient burial ground, satanic rituals, and five John Denver, Christmas specials, John death. Uh it's it's like almost every line in the special, in this segment. Isn't immediately quoted

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everything for the setup, especially like, and then we get Smithers and burns talking about how. No, maybe cutting off the cable and cutting the beer supplies. What made all the past families go crazy and just very nonchalantly, like, well, if the, if we come back and they're all dead, like, oh, you would

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cook. And that is a phrase that was repeated from the one where they turn Homer and a robot. Really? Yeah. He says, well, I owe you a Coke and it's weird because they're both transport segments and they just reuse that phrase. But I don't know why, but they did. Uh, of course the blood gets off at the second floor. Um, and real talk. If someone took a chainsaw through a hedge maze like Bart does, how long would it take to rectify that

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I'll probably

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years you would have to, it would have to grow back. You'd have to trim it just right. Oh, man. Poor Willy for multiple reasons.

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This is not his episode. No,

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again, I noticed for a second, um, Smithers is I is like in front of the handles of his glasses. What do you call it? The glasses arms. We both bars. That's the question of the episode that you weren't

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expecting. Imagine everyone listening, knowing the word and going

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and going. It's

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very obviously insert name here, Mr. Black,

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Mr. Black. Yeah. So for a second Smithers, his eyes like in front of his glasses and it looks weird. Um, Homer just turns crazy for like in the snap of a finger. Like he seems like he's going to be fine. I think Margie even mentioned like, oh, you're taking this very well. Um, and then he just suddenly says that he wants to kill

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everybody. And then even to the point where within like 15 seconds, Lisa's just like, mom, is dad going to kill us? Yeah. That's a very fast

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chain and then Marge very casually saying, we'll just have to wait and see what the hell oh my God. And you know what, that's a theme from the last one as well. Just Marge, not really caring about the well-being of her children suddenly for some reason. Um, but we'll get to that later. Uh, possibly the best scene of any Treehouse of horror episode is the feeling fine,

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which I did notice. And it's going to bother me for the rest of my life. Oh

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no, no. Maybe I don't want to

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know when Marge is walking up to the typewriter, the papers in crooked, like it's like the pages misaligned, but then when she reads it, Perfectly lined up. Do you

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know what I know why that happened, but anytime you see something like that, a wizard doing it. Oh, that's going to bother me too though. You'll notice it now. Oh God. Why, why would you curse me with this? Oh man. One idea that that came into my head from this. I don't know if this will ever happen, but man, that'd be a great tattoo. Just a typewriter. And it just says

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feeling fine. I have it like on your upper arm. So anyone's like, how you doing? You're left. I'm feeling fine. You put it back down and walk away. And the

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thing is if they know the episode, well, if they don't know the episode, they'll be like, oh, okay. They're just kind of weird, just feeling fine. But if the person does know the episode, they'll be like, this person is saying that they're feeling fine, but is actually ready to like act murder everybody.

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So little things are weird either way, but

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that's true. But in one version, they get it. They'll be mentally prepared for it. They'll just have to wait and see, as Martin

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said, we'll be able to grab that bat. This is breaking case of spousal and sanity.

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Oh my God.

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The way he is. Gimme

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gimme, gimme that, gimme the back, which all man, when I first saw the real shining, that was the scene that jumped out the most to me personally. I mean, that's one of the most famous scenes of the movie, so it kind of makes sense, but he acts so much like him too. Cause he does like the whole, give me the bat.

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Gone on a podcast. They can't see you doing your hands.

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I'm doing the, give me the bat thing with the hands. You know what I mean? You could see it in your brain, but yeah, just definitely, definitely a

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great Amash. Yes.

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Oh, and the animation, when he says go crazy. Can you imagine having to animate every single frame of.

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Oh, with the word with the don't

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mind. If I do like all of the different ways his face, I distinctly remember as a kid being able to do that whole thing, like pretty accurately. Oh man. Um, something I never really thought of, um, March picks up.

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She

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does. Yeah, because, so, so of course we have the really good guy. I go with him saying, you know, how has scared you? And then he turns to the mirror and screams and falls over. And then she literally picks him up. She, they don't show her picking him up. They show her opening the door to the, um, the pantry and he's over her shoulder. That's right. And she just like slammed them on the ground. Like holy crap, Marge. She be lifted. Um, I was just somebody I never noticed. Uh, we've got, um, most sort of reminding Homer that he's supposed to kill us. Um, which is also, we kind of skimmed over, um, the whole Mo bar scene. Um, which is, I mean, it's kind of just a scene inside. Yeah. Well,

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it kind of sets up the ghosts and spirits are there that way for them, they can come in later and pull them out with the room. It's a

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necessary scene, but it's just kind of there. Um, it also makes a really good dang hummus. If you look it up, I think it's just called Halloween. You got to look up the day. He does the um, yeah, look that up. Uh, we have Mo coming back to get Homer and he says like all the girls and I were talking and he's got like Dracula and a mommy look, what are they doing there?

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Right. You remember in the actual shining do like the ghost of the spirits have that like physical interaction with real world objects. It's been a while since I've seen you in a really long time, they open the door and let them out, let Homer out.

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They're able to physically manipulate the world. Um, I don't feel like they did in the

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original,

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but I mean, it's been a really hacking long time. Um, Oh, and we got to the here's Johnny, and then he goes to David Letterman. I'm grandpa. He doesn't say these ABCs he's grandpa, like that's so cute. And then the 60 minutes, one, which of course is just gold. Oh man.

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And then Bert calls up for help.

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Yep. And an, the one thing that's like a direct. Translation of the original is the image of Willie sitting and watching the TV with the picture over his bed, except in the, in the original, it's like a naked woman. But in this one, it's like a lady in a kilt. Um, another thing it's such a quick joke that I didn't notice for the longest time was after Willie gets killed, which of course is the first of many

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kills. Okay. This is the first time I got this joke.

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Okay. When March goes, boy, I hope that was scotch guarded Scott. Oh,

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all the times I've seen this episode. How did neither of us get that joke before about Scotchgard?

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No. No, I don't know, but it happens so fast and you aren't really paying attention to what mark Marge's saying in the episode, like at that point, like I

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remember it always standing up. It's a weird thing for her to say, and it clicked.

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I always thought of it as like, oh, Marge is the joke is that Marge is more concerned over the carpet being clean than someone being killed.

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Yeah. But she's, she's telling a joke at his expense.

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Which is like stone cold Marge here. She's she's picking up homework. She's saying let's wait and see when it comes to being murdered. And she's, you know, making jokes after somebody murdered in front of her

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March

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classic mark. Um, we've got the scene of them walking through the snow. And they really, they do some cool things with the angles here to do. And you can really tell they're like walking at an inclined, through a good amount of snow.

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It's like, you can see the effort going in and you can hear it in a breathing tube.

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Yep. Yep. Um, of course, uh, they find the miniature TV that Willie had and Homer is immediately. Immediately satisfied by that. Tell illusion teacher, mother secret lover,

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which you

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yes. And also he invites them all to bask in it's warm, glowing warming. Yep. That's another one I quote quite constantly. And the, um, the whole, you know, dramatic cut to them all being frozen.

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Yeah. It's like that.

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Yeah. Which is a very, very straight Omar should be original. Um, something I noticed this once before, but I always forget about when they go, when suddenly it switches into the Tony awards, they're singing the inside, outside. Yeah. It was like, oh my God. Um, so that's a neat little tidbit. Never noticed that. Yep.

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Yeah. It's funny how we can see so many times our whole lives

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and there's just always more stuff. Yup. Yup. Well, that's it for the shift and next we've got time and punishment. Oh my God. So this is a top 15 Simpsons moment for me. This made me like number 15 or something. When Homer is sitting here. He's so content with his life. He says, you know, I'm so happy to be sitting here with my family in this beautiful country and all of this stuff. And he said, you know, I think I'm really a lucky guy and it's just this wholesome, nice moment. And then out of nowhere, dad, your hands in the toaster, you know,

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it's, it's funny of all these tree house of horrors that I've seen and stuff. I honestly think this. Was the thing that was the creepiest thing for me as a kid, out of set of everything, the fact that it appears out of nowhere, his hand is in it. He can't get his handout and it's sparking, even though it's not plugged in and then he gets it off and it teleports back to his hand, like that was, I don't know what it was. That specifically was really creepy to me as a. Wow.

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Cause I just thought I always just saw it as Homer being so clumsy. That he could like fall off a one step staircase, you know? Cause

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he, it, he liked throws it across the room and

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then somehow it's back. Maybe that's part of the time travel though. Maybe he'd already tried traveled before that. Yeah. And had somehow made that appear. That's interesting though. Cause that was one of the few tries of horror moments that doesn't creep me out.

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It's just, my brain is a kid thinking that

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through, Hey you boy, you were very specifically thinking of like the signs of it. Like why is it sparking and all that? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. So of course he eventually takes it into the basement. He literally breaks it open with a rock. It's a rock. Like he probably just found a rock out in the yard. And somehow manages to turn it into a time

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machine and like re molds the outer casing. So it can like fit the insides. Like you can't just,

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I just accidentally make a time machine, but then Homer absolutely does. And he travels to a time when dinosaurs weren't just confined

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and we have the pseudo drastic parking music kicking in

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the non copyright infringing. Oh man.

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Remember sharing place. Your dad gave you on their wedding day

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on his wedding day. He talks about not altering anything. If you travel through time and he's like in a suit and everything. Oh, There's also a small moment that I just love where there's this weird, sloppy looking thing written down too.

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It's like a huge slow.

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He's just, he's just cute. Um, so he returns to Springfield to find Flanders as the unquestionable, uh, Lord of here. Which I mean, obviously it's going to happen, um, and read non-education whoever thought of that word deserves an enemy just right away. Just the minute that they said that in the writer's room, just having that person,

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that the enemy and just having one letter to the word, just the reading education really changes. It

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can be so happy and optimistic about everything. Um, so for some reason, speaking of things that creep us out. I distinctly remember having a nightmare as a kid where I was standing in that long. In front of the big screen for the autonomy. Yeah. And I remember, I actually remember in the dream passing out and then waking up and everything was like slightly off. And I was holding part of my brain, weird, creepy as hell. And like Moe was there and it was an, and I like was disoriented. Like I couldn't do certain things.

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So dream brain knew enough. Perception of the world.

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That's cool. One of course it stuck with me for this long, because I think I had that dream when I was like eight or nine. Mm. Um, but yeah, that stuck with me.

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I love the moment when they're having the, the hooks to make him smile in home books, his side, that the guy, what the hell are you smiling at? Oh, my God built a time machine and the toaster. Yeah.

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Oh my gosh. Oh. So before of course he's able to get away and, um, he travels back in time. Again, tries to fix everything by not changing anything, which at this point, the timeline's already been change. Is he really going to change anything back by not doing anything?

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That's what I was like, if he's, and here's where my brain was like temporal mechanics. Like if he's going back to the same point, what, first of all, he would see himself. If he kept going to the same point. Or if he went slightly after the effects were already done. So we have to look back at me making it worse. Yeah. It may be on the scope of a Simpsons episode.

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Um, he tries out to affect anything and he accidentally sits on the fish that we'd like fish with legs. And I bought him the sound. It makes it like a, um, it's like a Nickelodeon splat kind of sound I'm laughing because of what he says. I wish I wish.

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I hadn't killed that fish. Yeah. So Dr.

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Seuss, I love it. It's so cute. And yet it's also very Homer. Just, he's just. Ah, here we go again. And then of course he comes back and the Simpsons are just giant, um, which is kind of cookie, but

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you know, it's like least like Bart's voice sounds pretty much the same visas is very split.

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She's almost sounds like I'm from the shorts or she's very playful. Yeah. The sneeze domino effect that happens in the next one. Um, we're Homer sneezes and then each dinosaur just sneezes and turn. And that leads us into the best possible universe. Um, which is where they're all rich. Did you

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notice one thing that pretty much stayed the same

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other than Homer? The curtains in the kitchen? Oh yeah, they had the corn coffee. Oh my gosh. Um, And, uh, I can't remember who it was exactly, but one of the show runners, or one of the directors said that this sequence breaks their heart. Every time they see it, because, because he's so close to having the perfect life and they, they say, of course they say what's a donut. And he runs out of the room screaming and then March. It's raining again. And then it rains doughnuts outside.

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What he could've done to physically change Raymond to donuts. Oh my God. I don't know some industrial

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disaster. It's interesting how everything else stays the same. Like Marge is still Marge. Lisa still Lisa Bart's still Bart, but yet these other things changed, but yet Homer didn't like marry someone else or have three girls or three boys. Like, those are the things that change. It's these other overarching things. But of course we're thinking too far into this. Yeah, of course. That's what our job is. That is our job. It is. Um, and really does again, of course, um, for the second sequence and there's James Earl Jones

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with this is indeed a disturbing universe, which how did I not know? That was him.

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Yeah. Uh, so a little fun fact, and I actually learned this from one of the Simpson's Twitter pages. I follow, um, when there's that really quick sequence, where they keep showing different houses, there was originally one where someone really painstakingly drew this, whereas the Simpson's house, but it was made entirely of squirrels. Oh wow. And like live squirrels and they drew it and it looks really cool, but. They kind of realize this. And I think I agree with them that when it's going by so quickly, you can't tell what the heck it is. Yeah. But it's just like a really cool idea. So if, if you ever want to go online and look up Simpson's house with squirrels. Oh, they have the image. Yeah. You can actually see the image. Yeah. It's really neat. Someone put a lot of work to it and they never use it. Oh. And then we've got the little canyon kudos, insert. Yes. Yeah. We're we've got, um, what happened to us? Go-to's quiet you. Oh, so they don't even really show how he eventually fixes it. But he goes back to what looks like the regular world. And he kind of, he kind of like shakes margin a little bit and he, he literally, what he actually says is what over donuts, what of donuts, what I've done. It's after asking all these other questions and Marjorie assures him that everything's

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okay. But like donuts are plentiful.

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Um, and of course they all have snake tongues.

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Yeah. But. Lift silverware on the table. I swear. I didn't

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look. I wrote the exact same thing. Um, yeah. And Homer's close enough and just lives with it. Yeah. Yep. But yet he doesn't know if he's going to see other differences later on. It's close enough. He's got his family. He's got donuts. He's got everything. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So moving on to nightmare cafeteria, you love this one. Oh God. So I usually skip this one because it creeps me the heck out. So I actually have like three sheets, just notes on nightmare cafeteria. So, um, even, even my daughter, who's usually not scared of anything. She didn't want to watch this one before bed, but I honestly don't blame her because I didn't want to watch it before bed, but I had to for artistic integrity, I could have gotten off of memory, but no, I had to watch it. Even the music at the beginning, it gives me a sort of eminent doom feeling like it's got like that bad. Um, and I don't like it.

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You're just looking at me like, you don't want to do this. Right. Don't wake

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it with a capital. W don't wake it. Um, it's funny. Cause like one of the few, there's like a couple of good jokes in this, but it's mostly just dread in horror. Yeah, but you do get the whole thing where Bart wants everyone to turn their desks around. And he's the only one that really does it.

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Yeah.

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Um, so he gets sent to detention and of course it's overcrowded. Um, and he gets sentenced instead to the cafeteria and one

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kid I'm running out of oxygen. Will you sort of thought of that for you through a paper airplane? Like God.

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I know this whole sequence is brutal. Um, there are serving great F meat, which I believe it said something about like it's circus animals,

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mostly circus animals, some filler, some

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feller, um, And then we get the part. I don't know why I thought this was funny where, um, the stuff spills on Jimbo and he goes, Hey, my favorite outfit,

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everybody always wears the favorite out.

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We have one out hood. Um, I don't like this scene where he goes into the room and they close the door.

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Yeah. When they talk about like, it's hard to clean this pot, when your point meat tenderizer on me, like that's going to be burning your skin or,

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oh God. Um, but great voice acting. I'm not sure who does this voice, but they did a great job. Um, ah, and it's like, okay, so there's cannibalism, you've got killing children.

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They're suddenly okay. With murder. Yeah.

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Everyone including March is like about it.

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Yeah. When they go run there for help and she's like deal with your own problems. You're seven and nine years old. That

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was, that was the part that got me as a kid. I was like, she's gotta be able to do something because when you're a kid, you think, oh, I can always go to my parents at least. And that she's just like you tell them not to eat me. So, of course they, they kill Uttar next and they're way too many dots over October Fest.

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You want, I noticed that for the first time too. Like

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it's like almost every single letter has the dots. What's the, what's that called again? The omelet. Yeah. Yeah. Um, And a Skinner, of course they call that lamp shading when they, when they just state the obvious

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he's like at the end, scratch that

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when you could just say we just ate Uttar and he's in all her stomachs right now. Wait a minute. Oh, um, okay. Here's something, this is something that disturbed me about this episode that I never really thought about before. It almost seems like the teachers become addicted to eating the students because they don't have to eat the school lunch. They're the teachers. Um, and they get fat and yeah. And now gains weight. The homework is to eat a stick of butter. The fact that this class size goes down, like it's like they become crazed by it, which is so disturbing. Oh, And I don't think this concept is based on like a specific thing that it's spoofing, but they legitimately made like a really great horror concept. Yeah. That this could just be a movie.

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Not necessarily that they're addicted to eating them. I got the impression that they were addicted to like the thrill.

Sari: 33:45

Oh dear God. That's almost worse

Shaun: 33:47

because they're so willing. Like they're in the teacher's lounge. And Seymour more like taps his nose in Jimbo Jones and they start laughing and it's almost like they just get the thrill out of the killing the students. And then also I thought it gets to the point where the kids know what's going on. They got to get rid of them.

Sari: 34:10

Oh, dang. Oh my gosh. Uh, yeah, so there's five kids at the end and you notice they very specifically like the, almost the first, it's probably the second shot of the episode. First shots of the school. The second shot is the inside and they're just showing all these students in the class and now they're cutting to the shot and there's like five kids in the class. Yeah. And, um, Is his name Wendell that, Shaun: that sounds pretty sure. Super pale kid. Yeah. Um, I was thinking it might be Louis, but I think Louis is the other kid that hangs up with him, I think Wendell's right. Yeah. So, um, Wendell is visibly shaking. Like it kind of breaks my heart. He whines to himself when he sent to detention and then he does something very specific. He looks to the other shore help. He. Huh? Like, like, like is someone gonna stand up for me? And then he just kind of hangs his head. Like he's like, he's made his peace with it. I didn't notice all that. Like, it's so depressing. Looking for help. And then he's just sort of hangs his hand in surrender and just leaves the class. And they have like an upward shot of him walking through the empty.

Shaun: 35:29

Yeah, that's a very creepy,

Sari: 35:30

oh my God. It's like a ten second long scene, but it's so chilling. And then we get the sort of really obvious joke of the joy of cooking Millhouse, which, which kind of reminds me of the first Treehouse of horror, but how to cook 40 humans.

Shaun: 35:45

Oh no, I have written down. It was kind of out of order. Oh, When we see like the kids in the cages too. Oh, that's okay. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of the empty school, but

Sari: 35:57

yeah. Um, so yeah, so, um, just slightly after that, the kids start to kind of try to make a run for it. Um, and they crawl out and that's when they see the kids in cages. That's

Shaun: 36:09

right. Yeah. And then we also see the free range children. They're just like watching, drinking

Sari: 36:20

kind of look like they're almost kind of sort of galloping or skipping or something. Um, I'm, Martin's got a super desperate expression on his face and he's like shaking the cage.

Shaun: 36:33

Oh, well, Another episode where he's in the cage to

Sari: 36:38

irony. Oh man. Yeah. This is a much different Martin in cage situation, which is weird that

Shaun: 36:47

there's more than one for Martin.

Sari: 36:50

Um, okay, so now we have an image that's going to hot, my nightmares, which is lunch lady, Doris covered in blood wielding one of those hand blenders and holy heck, that'd be a great cost. Oh, that would put your head in your head, but like your hair in a bun get like a lunch lady outfit, douse it with blood and then get one of those hand crank, man. Yeah. And even if someone doesn't get the reference,

Shaun: 37:19

it's going to be terrifying. Yeah. It's still haunt you. Yeah.

Sari: 37:24

Uh, we've got Willie for the third and final time trying to save them and he's killed again. And. Um, so principal Skinner kills him and he's got this really happy look on his

Shaun: 37:37

face. I wrote that down to smile after killing Willie. Like it's a very like, satisfied, like, like he's been wanting to do it.

Sari: 37:45

Yeah. But it's also not, I get super evil smile either. It's just like content. Yeah. It's weird. Um, and then we also have the other nightmare fuel moment, which is the giant food processor with there's this just like a fricking VAT of blood next to it.

Shaun: 38:06

It's on one mode.

Sari: 38:12

God. Um, so it's something I never noticed. When they were approaching them, Skinner is wearing a bid and it's got like that school sign on it of like two kids walking to school, like the school crossing sign. Yeah. It's so messed

Shaun: 38:26

up. Very like ominous,

Sari: 38:28

creepy, nice up in her also shows how much they are enjoying this. Like they are in the eating children fan club at this point. Yeah. Oh, Ooh. Um, you okay. We'll be done with this one. Oh, um, oh, so the expression, I know how's his face as he hits the, the word.

Shaun: 38:54

Yeah. Oh, which they animated those and, oh my

Sari: 38:57

God. No, of course it cuts off right before, you know, and then Barts is like, um, well, something will save the citizens, children, and they get kicked in and okay. I have this written down. So are we good on nightmare cafeteria?

Shaun: 39:14

I think I'll just say at the end, I think it was quite clever. There's no good way for them to escape that scenario. And it being a dream sequence is basically the only way for it to end without them.

Sari: 39:29

Yeah. Cause they really couldn't have, I mean, they could have, but I don't know. I can see them having an alternate ending where maybe they're eating Barton leaves. And they're and they're just kind of like, oh, well or something. I don't know.

Shaun: 39:44

A scanner pulls a piece of short set of his teeth or something.

Sari: 39:47

Oh my God. That would have been pretty good. Yeah. Cause he does mention that it may be all start by eating your shorts. Okay. So moving on from that though, there was always something. So off-putting to me about how Bart wakes up, because he's screaming super short. And he almost, he almost like screamed short, like does a short scream and then he's almost suspicious. And normally if you show someone waking up from a dream, they scream and they're either sad, relieved, or scared, but he's just sort of suspicious here and he's in his normal clothes. Um, And that the F the way they frame him, there's a ton of empty space. Like it's his face. And then just a bunch of room above him. And it's just, there's just something weird and off about it. Um, like, you know, things are not okay yet. And things are definitely not okay. Especially for me because of this

Shaun: 40:46

next scene. I remember you being a kid and looking away.

Sari: 40:48

I remember being a kid. And so our, I remember for the longest time, When we were like little, little, um, our mom worked nights and we would be with our dad. Um, and we would wait for her to come home at night. And I remember one night, this episode was on and I kept looking out the window and really, I didn't want to watch the episode. And I kept saying, no, no, no, I hear her car. I think she's coming home soon, but really, I just didn't want to look at the TV. Yeah. Um, cause I knew this was coming. Oh, God,

Shaun: 41:25

the fog that turns people inside out. It's like, dear God, I'll say it. So you don't have to

Sari: 41:31

already been through enough at this point in the episode. So, um, yeah. And of course the stupid, um, the stupid weather weather. What does he say? Well, the stripping, whether it's shipping, that

Shaun: 41:50

was okay. If that's fallen, that turns people inside out, you don't buy the cheap weatherstripping. No.

Sari: 41:55

And like, I remember that was my cue as a kid, when I heard cheap weather shipping, that's when I knew to look away. Yeah. Um, so they turn inside out and then. Really horrifying, especially if you go on, if you know the website, Frankie, ACH, it has like screenshots of every Simpsons episode. They did an amazing, and also horrifying job animating every frame of that. Like seeing their skin peel back and everything. And something I noticed was that Maggie there's a shot of. Marge holding Maggie. They're both like screaming while being turned inside out. And I noticed that Maggie has teeth all of a sudden. And then I realized it's because we're seeing the other side of her gums, how freaking messed up is that holy crap. Um, but yeah, uh, It's terrible. And, but it's also very well done, but it's also absolutely

Shaun: 42:55

horrifying. Like March's hair has veins and skin and like, as they're dancing, like it's spring blood. Yeah.

Sari: 43:05

And then at the end, when Santa is a little off or it comes and drags Bart away while everyone else just keeps singing happily and he's like screaming. Holy heck. Yeah. And then the episodes over. Yeah. And then you just kind of pour bleach on your brain because you don't want to remember any of it.

Shaun: 43:27

And then we talk about

Sari: 43:28

it and then we talk about it. But, but at the same time, it is so well done. And you know, the show that it's, it's a wonderful, terrible episode at the same time, because it's just so horrifying. I don't know if they ever outdid the scariness of that last one.

Shaun: 43:45

Yeah. And wonder what motivated them to. Oh, do you know? Yes.

Sari: 43:51

So now we have, um, the fun facts brought to you by the single fax machine. Oh, thanks. And go. Um, so I'm going to go in order about eventually get to your question. Um, the third story does not have homework in it.

Shaun: 44:08

Well, it

Sari: 44:09

doesn't except for the end, I mean, but you don't really do that as part of nightmare cafeteria, but nightmare cafeteria does not have any homework. Um, Sherri and Terry originally represented the twins in the shining. Um, they actually have a deleted scene with the two of them. Uh,

Shaun: 44:25

it's going to be hard fitting three stories.

Sari: 44:29

Um, So David Mirkin, uh, purposely made it as bloody and gruesome as possible because of complaints from Congress. Doesn't

Shaun: 44:42

it March say at the beginning. Yeah. Something about Congress. Did they, did Congress complain about the Simpsons

Sari: 44:48

or TV Simpsons because of their Halloween specials. And so they were just like, we'll just ramp that up, which like, holy crap. Did they ramp it up

Shaun: 44:58

Simpsons versus the U S government?

Sari: 45:01

Oh my goodness. Um, I didn't know about this. The inside out gas is a reference to a 1962 radio drama called drop dead episode, titled the dark. I don't know if I ever want to listen to that. I think I'm good. I think I'm good. Um, this is the first Treehouse of horror that does not have a Twilight zone parody. Oh, all the other ones did. Um, Nightmare cafeteria was the first segment ever written by David X, Cohen who had, who would later go on to do a few trauma. Nice. Yeah. Oh my God. I, I ain't even emotionally spent after that episode. Oh my God. Um,

Shaun: 45:55

we knew we had to do it

Sari: 45:56

sometime. We definitely did. And I it's weird cause I have almost like a love, hate relationship with this episode because it's so great, but it's so freaky and so out there and gruesome, but they really did go all out with this one. And it's worse than that. Flesh-eating virus you've read about Well, we're going to do one more bloody gruesome one next. And it's one that I've never seen. And I think you'd never seen it either. So next episode, we're going to be tackling season 31 episode eight, Thanksgiving of horror. And I'm really curious about this one, cause this is on a lot of people's, um, top modern Simpsons episodes lists. And so I'm really curious about it and, um, yeah, I'm excited. It should be fun. Um, so definitely watch that episode before you listen to the next one to get the full experience. So until next time, happy Halloween.