Lemon of Troy

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We love you, you get the best and all the filler in between and all the

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worse. So today we are covering lemon of Troy, which is season six, episode 24. Originally aired May 14th, 1995 written by Brent Forrester and directed by Jim Reardon. There are no guest stars,

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and then we have the opening chalkboard. Part saying the first amendment does not cover burping, which makes me think of one of the old men shorts where they're burping

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and they have like a little bubbles and stuff.

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Cause it's disgusting.

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Do you remember me with that couch?

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Oh, I don't like it, but I remember you really did not like it. I hated

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it with a passion. It terrified me for

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context. It's the one where they run in and it's like an old full leaf or two where they're like bouncing around their bodies, moving in circles. Everyone's

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in sync, but they're all staring dead eyes directly into the camera. The giant eyes. I didn't like that. And like the, no. To the point, um, which I remember as a kid, I memorized, which episodes had that intro. So I would know to not look really when it would show up in the TV guide, it was this one, it was Bart's comment. And it was the beginning of the 130 whatever episode spectacular. Okay. Yeah. So I, I was. I strategized how to avoid this intro, but yeah. Let us know if you also have a fear of this intro irrationally, because that's a really obscure thing. And I would love to know if I'm the only one,

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but it's funny that you hate that because this is such a good episode.

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Oh, this is quality. Everything else about this episode is quality.

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This is core

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Simpsons. This is quality core. Since this isn't like my top 10. Yeah. This is easily top. Remind

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me, how did we pick this episode? Was it you picked it, was it

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my pickup? You were just like, well, I'm going to try and I'm like, I'm going to say no to that. Okay. Um, yeah, there was no reason for it just it's great. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we started out with Bart skateboarding down the street and he encounters the wet cement. And we randomly have professor Frank flying in with a flying motorcycle and Bart's like, no way I need to get to that

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wet cement. He also runs past the safe that dropped an open up to all these gems.

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He's got, he's got priorities and he's got to follow. And, um, he writes his name in the wet cement, and he has this image of the future that they're going to find his name and be like, how did he write his name in cement? And they're going to be all amazed by him and bring them back with technology.

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But the him, he brings that has like his clothes in a yo-yo

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and then they don't understand how cement works despite being in the future. And they don't get how a yo-yo is. This is very much in Bart's head

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for the exact phrasing, but this has been as Elisa who we know nothing about. We know nothing.

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Oh, that's great. Of course, Marge catches him and she's so concerned that he's CRA graffito tagging, which I have not. I don't think I've heard that. Phrase that specific phrase outside of this episode, never it's, it's a very Marge phrase that your graffito tagging, um, which we have

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another merged phrase later

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on. Oh, there's some great March moments in this. I'm a Herge. She means, well, she later gives them the speech on town pride. According to Lisa, the town pride has been going downhill since the lake caught fire. And that's when we get the whole, this town is a part of us offing. There's

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there's several quotes from this episode that we do all the time. Oh, this is

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extremely quotable episode, not just the lines themselves, but how they're delivered by the voice actors is just, wow. And of course she has to say it three times to make sure it sticks. And it does, which is something you can't really convey. Well, without actually seeing the two scenes next to each other,

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but the thing is. Actually works because anyone who's seen this episode once, remember

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this line is town as a part of a song, a part of us, all a part of us all. Sorry to say that so many times it'll stick with you also at something we both saw. Cause I was late and was watching this the second half of this episode when Sean got here, um, really the last seven, eight of the episode, I was still watching. The last frame of that shot, it looks weird. I don't know if it's just the Disney plus version, but it looks like suddenly the quality goes down for like the last shot of that scene and then it gets better. Again, it's not.

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Like, you know how to like adjust the bit rate and everything internet it's the, the actual, like it switches between remastered and original.

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Yeah. Like it almost looked like a scan from a VHS version. Like it was directly taken from a VHS and ripped for like three seconds. It's really weird. If you have a Disney plus version, it's at the end of the part of us all seen right before it cuts to the next spot. It's really weird. And. I don't know why it's like that. I don't know if they had trouble fixing up this episode or they didn't have a great copy of

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it. Or, and so sometimes they might not have the original scans that they can upscale. That's a goal, like why you can't remaster some show? Why can't we

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master Voyager? But that's a whole different rant. Bart legitimately gets a boost of town pride after this. And, um, he goes past the isotopes, the baseball team. He compliments them or something, and then they, they like wave. And then the guy throws the ball and WhatsApp and the ball falls like a foot away from.

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This is why we need Frankie here right now to make that noise, Frankie would be

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able to make that she would be able to

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make that. Now, two things about this part. First one, small parts, go down the sidewalk on his bicycle. He walks by a store. It just suits. One of the suits is the Zach's suit that Skinner

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wears. So that's an odd thing, but it's, if you wanted to know where Skinner gets his suits, you can find out in this episode.

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And then I live at the next coming scenes with the baseball and the fish and everything coming up are all things that Marge mentioned in the exact order that

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she mentioned specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, this Springfield isotopes. So we have Nelson he's catching the fish cause he's gonna hook them at cars. The whole montage with Millhouse or Millhouse is kind of like, well, first Millhouse is trying to sell lemonade and is doing terribly. Like Lisa's just kind of standing there and he's like, oh, we got to go get more lemons. And there's this whole montage of that. Running and mill is like tripping in every single part of it,

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falling down the hill, like the

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silhouette of him bouncing down the hill. It's just gorgeous. Oh man, the jokes for a minute. Like they just, they keep coming

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in this one, Lisa just buying the glass out of pity

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and she's just kind of casually standing there. Um, man, so they finally get to the lemon tree and it's very much. That's like the center of the town pride. Like you see like the kids, like kind of frolicking around it and stuff. The interesting thing is it's never mentioned before or after this episode. Yeah. Despite being so prominent.

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Well, yeah, and like this episodes, I feel like it's a very popular and well-known episode. Maybe there's something we're missing. It seems like there had been a throwback somewhere in the

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series. Yeah. There had to have been, but I I'll have to look that up, but yeah, if you just go to anyone that's watched the Simpsons and be like the lemon tree episode, you don't even have to know moment of Troy, just say lemon tree Simpsons. They're going to be like, oh my God. Lemon tree. Yeah. And then we've got the whole Shelbyville Springfield rivalry that kind of gets set up here. It's kind of, it's been, it's been sort of nudge yet in previous episodes, but this is where we first really see it. And every character kind of has their own opposite from Shelby. Well, I guess sort of like a foil to them, like you have Bart with that main shall be located with the whole garbage man thing, New York garbage man, when he finally goes, takes one, no one that kid acts like he's never heard that phrase in his life. He's like, Lord, why is the grass of different.

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I noticed that too, when I was trying to think of like a reason

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it's such a perfect straight line, but then again, that is something I could see them arguing about the Springfield side being like, no, this is our grass and that's your

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fertilizing it a different way or something that you

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don't put in your bad grass seeds on our side. Millhouse saying we can't spare a single one when he finds out that they're stealing the lemons and then he starts throwing them at them. Love that one. Can't spare a single one. Um, so after they kind of get away with the lemons, grandpa tells them the whole background story of the rivalry between Jebidiah Springfield and Shelbyville Manhattan. Hey,

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everyone in old man is nothing

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and it works. Everyone goes in crowds around him. Shelbyville just wants to establish a town so we can marry his cousins.

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Which how did he not realize this whole journey? That's not what it was about.

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He's just was he, he had a goal and that's all he could see. Yeah. He really wanted to marry his cousins. And grandpa says lemons were the sweetest fruit available at the time. Um,

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well, and also remember we know whichever Diane was talking, how it, how it comes up. B talks about the flavor of this mush pull, the root marm. I Googled it. It's always fun to do with these hand things on cartoon cuisine.com. They have a recipe where you in a blender put turnips, parsnips and beets. Oh, I'm sure that's great. And it's actually a flavorless mush. Wow. And at the bottom of the recipe, give a crummy lint score. Three Roman numerals out of 10.

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Nice. I love it. So I'll have to check out that site. I love the attention to, Ooh, we should do a Patrion only thing where we eat that.

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Yeah, like that would be kind of fun. Apparently it's pretty bland and flavorless. It's just a

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paste. Hey, I mean, if it's healthy, if that's a good way to get like nutrients in your body without having to like eat gross food. Yeah. If it's a flavor list, marsh, uh, So, yeah, that's, uh, speaking of Roman numerals next is when they're learning Roman numerals in class, um, which I remember I was in like the fancy math class and we had to learn like all of the Roman numerals, including like the millions and like all the really nuts, like L. L X the, I can't remember any of them, which is how well it, you know, exactly. I haven't had to use them very often.

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Everyone has to learn. Yes.

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Um, And, uh, Nelson runs in he's all panicked and he goes, there's no time to explain. And he's like drinking out of the water fountain. Like, why can't you just tell us that? I told you there was no time to explain they freak out because they took the lemon tree

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and they know it was them because of the candy wrapper. and Millhouse judges them for always eating candy.

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Do you just love it? Sweet tase. Oh, it's your God. Bart literally like tells Marge basically flat out what he's about to do. And Marge is so knee-deep in denial. That he's like, I'm going to teach some kids a lesson and she's like, I choose to take that literally. And like, basically she makes this, this imaginary thing in her head that he's tutoring because he says he's going to teach some kids a lesson. And then Homer does the whole to Don, which is just so stupid. I love it. So Millhouse is getting ready and he decides to take out all his cammo.

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And I had love in his mind. He thinks this will work, especially like, so when he goes and hides into the bushes, when they're chasing. And he's camouflaged in and his face starts appearing like in the upper parts of the trees.

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You know, you want that brought back to, I don't know if this was big when you were a kid, but when I was like in sixth grade, all the kids had these cammo shirts that said, ha ha you can't see them. It was like a big craze. I think. I don't remember that a bit. You were, you probably were in like high school at that point. So I don't think it was pretty, I don't think it was big with the teens,

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but I was cool at that point. So you were,

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I'm sure you were, oh yeah, it was such a big thing. I think maybe 2001, 2002, and then

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we're seeing it in stores, but don't really remember anyone my age where's I

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was the lamest thing ever, but it was definitely very Millhouse. So they finally step across the line to become men. And in the background, the girls are playing with a kite, just going back and forth along the line, over and over. Like, this is definitely just like a stupid feud. And even

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Todd doesn't want to cross the house ends up, like almost shoving him over

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the little girls is like, oh man. Uh, okay. So I wrote this down, but you wrote this down before me, so I'll let you take this one, the Shelbyville

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daily. It's it's very quick. It passes by the newspaper. Does this? Yeah, it's the Shelbyville daily. I didn't actually write down, but I noticed that it was. Once a week, every week or something like that once a

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week, every week, it's like, that's not what daily means. Oh. And this is one of my favorite Simpsons quotes ever. And I want to make sure I get this exactly right, because it's beautiful. Is it Martin? Maybe. All right. So for everyone listening, here's a tip, put a pinch of Sage in your. And all day long, a spicy scent is your, I love it. It's my favorite. I kind of want it tattooed somewhere, but I don't know if I want that kind of commitment, but people actually did. I don't know. It sounds like something I could've learn from like the Renaissance fairs or something. Yeah. It's, it's funny. Cause this episode doesn't revolve around Martin, but it has the best Martin moments. Oh man. He's great. Milhouse gets like fed up with the stupidest crap in his episode, like he's mad at the world. Uh, Ah, like the radical. I say that I feel like I'm just going to explore

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Todd backs up. Like, he's just, he's afraid. He's actually going to physically explode.

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Oh my God. He just so mad about everything. And he's like mad about the one kid wearing like the backpack over one shoulder.

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Just don't miss it. This lemon aid, I was going to say lemon juice.

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Well, I mean the lemon juice is in the lemonade, so you're technically not wrong. Oh, and then, um, we get Marge being just so, so deep in denial. Um, when Lisa finally informs him that he's not tutoring the way she words it is, it's not that he fooled them into thinking they were tutoring, that he was touring, which he never even mentioned. That's what they took. She says he quit his job in tutoring and has joined a violence gang. And the way she gassed

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the claw

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and also like violence gang, like we're going to form a gang and it's only going to be for violence like that is so like such a Metta, like who thinks of it that way. Oh, Marge, we love you. Um, So back to the kids, the teams that they sort of break off into teams leaving, and he gives them all names too, like teams strike force, and then he leaves Nelson and Martin. And of course their team discovery channel.

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Very appropriate name for

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Berry. One of them very, very, um, we kind of sorta cut back and forth between the kids and the parents now for a bit. And I love this line from Flanders where he said, well, I called Shelbyville. And they said, if they show up in a morgue, he's gonna fax us. Like, dear God. Oh dear God. They ended up getting into Flanders RV, which Homer knows and RV, they can all use Flinders. This slander is, is this, oh, so much happened so fast in this

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jokes

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per minute per minute. I mean, I feel like I'm just saying, and then this happened and then this happened and it's like so much because then we have the country time lemonade. There's nothing even close to a laminate.

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I felt like that would've been a fun opportunity for them to do like a fake promo for country town lemonade. Like there's nothing fresher or something like that.

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Oh man. Um, so yeah, they're basically interrogating this, this a little kid thinking that he's using the lemon tree lemons and. It's funny because Martin's the one doing the interrogating, but then the older brother stands up to the little kid and that's when Nelson comes in and he doesn't think of his

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arms up in the air

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and Nelson's like all embarrassed. And he's like, I'm sorry, I normally don't do this. And he like, you know, beats up the kids. I, I couldn't watch a whole show with these two, the dynamic between them. And then, um, I had the heart to the table. No, sir. The best of friends for using years and years. It's beautiful. Um,

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Thank you. Miss Knutson, take a crack at that song.

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Oh my God. Yeah, he hasn't done anything like six months. Where's the thing,

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the thing.

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Oh, man. I love that Bart's disguise. Um, it's just a wig and like a really fake looking scar,

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but he opens up initially that whole like costume makeup kit

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and they. Two things. Right. And one of the kids even acknowledges that he's wearing a wig. Like this is obviously a wig, even to the Shelbyville kids. Like one of them says that wig really makes them look like one of the Beatles. Um,

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They also have where the parents are coming into town and starting to ask questions. And when Shelby villians are judging them for everything, but one thing I note down, cause there's a lot of, like you said, like the symmetry between the towns, even to the point where one of them is drinking a beer instead of deaf beer, it's FID beer. Yeah. I just appreciate the little detail because it's on the screen for just a few seconds. I love those little details

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and something somebody mentions in that scene. It's he's he says maybe that's why we beat them in football nearly half the time. And he's using it as a jab, but if you think about it, if me and you were playing football against each other and I beat you nearly half the time, that means I've lost more than you. One, how was that a

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jab? I just love going to casinos. I win nearly half the time.

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Yeah. Like that's, that's a, that's not a is, but I, I never like caught that either. Good catch. I caught. Um, so we have that whole thing at the mountain where he's like, we're going to make him write Springfield sucks and all that. And he ends up of course, and of riding Springfield, rocks, suckers, or something like that. Yeah. It's

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before rules,

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rules, I'm sorry. Um, and that's when we have this whole chase scene

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trying to escape the cans of spray peanuts Jetpack. Oh my

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God. I should, I shouldn't, I should have taken that flying motorcycle. You had your chance live. Um, and he only distracts them by saying someone's attractive cousin and they actually all turn like that's their one shared principle is that they're all attracted to their cousins. We get a quick sequence of different sort of Shelbyville versions of, of Springfield things like the speedy Mart, Jos. And then the school has basically a female groundskeeper. Willie. Yeah,

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yeah,

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yeah. And it can all get

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along. Cause you know, in cartoons to people that look similar physically are meant to be a couple of oh

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yeah. Just like Millhouse as parents, which that's actually a theory I've heard because. The house, his mom grew up in Shelbyville and they all were attracted to their cousins and both of male houses, parents look similar,

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maybe that's what's up with

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I can't remember where I heard that, but yeah, that's a little

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weird,

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um, of course, uh, Bart runs into the tiger pen and. And all the doors are marched with Roman numerals and he can only go through doors,

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setting issues with the zoo. First he's able to just walk through the fence on the outside. Yep. Then the enclosure for the tigers is wide open. It only locks from the inside. Yep. And then there's basically a sticky note saying which door is the only safe exit

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and why would they write the number seven? And an Arabic numeral and then have the, all the other ones be Roman numerals. Like when they write that in Roman numeral to correspond with the door, but then we wouldn't have the small bed of conflicts.

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I mean, if the Roman murals and it come up a second time while we bring it up in the beginning of the

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episode. Oh, For funsies. I don't know. Um, and then we get the whole Rocky V. That was the fifth one, which is a very gen X kid thing. Like you wouldn't have that joke come up. Now, if you consider him being like a current kid, Like, I don't think kids watch those movies. Yeah. Now, I mean, I didn't watch those movies, then

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I feel like kids would just be like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. That one

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that would probably make a lot more sense. Yeah. But this is Bart. He's not going to think about it that way. Um, Oh, we've got Millhouse and meeting the other male house.

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Well, this

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interaction is such a great scene because they're so mad at each other at first. And then they find out all their similarities and he's like, is this the untimely end of Milhouse? But mill houses, my name, it happened so fast. And then of course, this is what it feels like when doves cry. And they just cry. Is that a reference to something it's a prince song? Oh yeah. You're older than me.

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I have a lot of gaps in like what I like to call human music.

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Honestly. I've only heard it maybe twice, but I just know it because it's from like his movie and I don't know. It's one of those references. I don't know how I know it, but I know it, it says, man. When doves cry, something, something, maybe I'm just a, my father, something, something Milhouse, Manhattan. And then, uh, oh God, where am I? Oh, this was my favorite joke. As a kid, I thought this was the smartest joke I'd ever heard in my life. When I was a kid, was the lemon shaped rock, which is definitely what they would call a screw, the audience joke, um, where it's like it's as useless as I live in shaped rock over there. Wait a minute. There's a lemon behind that. That

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rock is on the screen for a good 10, 15 seconds. Yeah,

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the tree. So the tree is locked in a car impound lot, or as Martin calls it, the impenetrable fortress of Syria, which is what everyone calls car impound. Lots. Everyone called them that in the nineties.

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Love it. If there was one that actually called that, oh man.

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And like only certain people got it. Um, We got the origin of lemon posting. Yeah. I love me some Simpsons dank memes, which is just that guy's face when he takes a big bite out of the line, which was also something that creeped me out a little bit. When I was a kid, like he CA he gets this weird, almost sinister look on his face while he's eating the lemon aggressive with it. Yeah. It took me so long to realize. That the kid's dad was supposed to be a mirror image of Homer. Cause he's an exactly like Homer, but he does have like a similar build. Yeah,

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yeah. Rounded head.

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Yeah. He almost has like a Yogi bear type voice. The minute you lose.

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Yeah, it's a very like soft and flowing cadence to it. And

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I say to myself, what a wonderful world.

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Okay. So when I came over, we were still watching this episode and we both like nearly the flow of exactly how these things, that you don't just

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know the quotes, we know how they are delivered. Yeah. Um, Bark. It's a pretty ingenious idea with the hospital thing. Like that's pretty smart in order to get into the car impound lot. They ended up pulling the RV into the hospital tows zone and then staying there, which of course made them be towed away. But they all would have had to ha like hid pretty well for. I mean, it's, it's an RV. It's got lots of space, um, from the shower. Yeah. Homer's in the shower at this point. And when Bart makes Flanders take the sharp turn to get there. Great. Now I'm upside down, which it seems like that'd be hard for that to happen, but with Homer's luck, he'd find a way for it to. So they get impounded and they're able to take the tree back, but first they get chased by the dogs and we get Homer's line where he says, no one in history has ever been this clever. Um, and Homer throws the dog, the meat, and he just like inhales it.

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He's got a taste for me.

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Um, so they're able to escape except Flanders is like something's draining the battery and Homer thinks this is a great time to start grilling something they grill. So they're able to get away. And, um, they yell out the window, eat my shorts. And Lander says one of my favorite Flanders lines, which is yeah. Seat all of our shirts. Um, the tree comes off in the Archway, which is how it kind of gets like split and half in a way. Very symbolic, very deep. This is a very deep episode. Uh, And it ends with grandpa telling the rest of the story, but then we get the Shelbyville grandpa telling their version of the story, which was that the tree was haunted because it was hunted because it was Holland

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the scene before, too, when they're driving away. We also have the iconic Shay Carter boy, that little scene with him, just shaking their fist in the air. I love that. One's

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going to make some sort of difference. Um, and they all celebrate with a nice, cool glass of turnip juice.

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And I love that the grandpa offers on the other side is telling it like this happened forever ago, but it was just like the same day.

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And that's exactly like, you know, the point of views of history is, and how things can be altered to suit someone's point of view. And, oh my God, there's so much to this episode. It's beautiful. It's and it's got some great lines. It's got some great moments. And it's, it's got that momentum it's and I remember as a kid, it was always fun. Cause like the kids were going out and doing this like big adventure thing. And this one was so much fun to watch as a kid with how much that

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was packed. In this episode, I always felt like this was a longer episode.

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Like as an adult, it seems shorter, but as a kid, it just kept going. It seems, um, It's so great. And I feel like Bart has a character. It really shows, I think this is probably one of the best just to showcase Bart as a character. Cause he's, he means well, but he's doing it the most rebellious way he can. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. Yeah, we actually got through this one faster than I thought though.

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It's because we just enjoy it so much that we're just go, go, go, go,

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go. We're also, we're recording this directly after trilogy of error, which trilogy of era took us so long, just because of all the little things happening in corresponding to other things. So. Ah, man, I would say if you've never watched a Simpsons episode, this would be one of the best episodes to just watch you

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need zero background knowledge. It's just, it's

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just a fun, fun ride. Yeah. Well, I would like to thank Timothy Carlson. Jimmy mum, man. Um, he is our one and only patron Saint. He is our only patron supporter, but if you would like to be as beloved as our dear Timothy, check out our patrion@wwwdotpatrion.com slash Simpson sibs. The link to that is in our description. And we love you guys. Thanks for listening. Yeah, we're at 3,500 downloads now.

Shaun: 35:09

Which is crazy to think that people have listened to us ramble for this long, but what's fun.

Sari: 35:14

What, um, and definitely, uh, check out our YouTube page to just look up Simpson Siblings, podcasts on YouTube. If you don't like using the apps and you're like, listen on YouTube. We're on there too. And. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah. This has been fun. I mean, we're still going, it sounds like we're stopping, but we're not join us next time as we cover our, uh, Valentine's day special. Um, it's gonna be a little late. It's going to be on February 23rd. We'll be covering. Season four episode 15. I love Lisa. This is a great one. It's a really good one. Uh, definitely watch that episode before listening to get the full experience and until then, bye everybody.